VP blocked by Suresh Rao

Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri
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VP blocked by Suresh Rao

 

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Suresh Rao has written a blog “Does 'god' in our hierarchical sensory experiences give thoughts of superiority?” 

[http://sureshrao.sulekha.com/blog/post/2010/10/does-god-in-our-hierarchical-sensory-experience-give.htm]

Since Mr. Rao, has blocked me from expressing my views on his blog in his comments section, for reasons best known to him,  I have no other option but to open another blog, and express my views on what he has written.  Even though he has shown me discourtesy, in preventing me from commenting on his thoughts expressed in  a free forum, I shall be only happy if he feels like commenting on my comments. 

Suresh Rao: 
You seem to be labouring under a notion that the Jatis, Varnas and the misnomer for these two, born out of crass ignorance of the then masters of India, Caste are man made. It has been there for generations, I mean the mistaken belief, that all people under the sun have been grouped into the four "castes", what the Bhagavad  Gita call the four Varnas. In this instance I would like to remind of the following: 


"From the Srimad Bhagavatam:
kalau sudra sambhava


"In Kali Yuga (the current cosmic age) everyone is born a Shudra"
janmanat jayate shdra, samskaaraat it brahmana


"By birth everyone is a Shudra, but by spiritual purification, one attains the status of a Brahmin"


From the Bhagavad-gita:
Shri Bhagavan Uvacha
chatur varnam maya srishtam guna karma vibhagasha [B.G. IV Verse 13]


Lord Krishna says: "I created the four varnas (brahmana, kshatirya, vaishya and shudra). These divisions are based on the actions of a person and their character[Guna and Karma]."


The Srimad Bhagavatam predicts that those who are not Brahminical by their activities and character, will claim to be Brahmins in Kali yuga simply on the basis of birth and external symbols like the sacred thread. Some of the predictions of the Srimad Bhagavatam are given below:


Sukadeva Goswami said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali.


SB 12.2.2: In Kali yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man's good birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on the basis of one's power.


SB 12.2.3: Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brahamana just by his wearing a thread.


SB 12.2.4: A person's spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols, and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next. A person's propriety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a good living. And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.


SB 12.2.5: A person will be judged unholy if he does not have money, and hypocrisy will be accepted as virtue. Marriage will be arranged simply by verbal agreement, and a person will think he is fit to appear in public if he has merely taken a bath.


SB 12.2.6: A sacred place will be taken to consist of no more than a reservoir of water located at a distance, and beauty will be thought to depend on one's hairstyle. Filling the belly will become the goal of life, and one who is audacious will be accepted as truthful. He who can maintain a family will be regarded as an expert man, and the principles of religion will be observed only for the sake of reputation.


SB 12.2.7: As the earth thus becomes crowded with a corrupt population, whoever among any of the social classes shows himself to be the strongest will gain political power.


SB 12.2.8: Losing their wives and properties to such avaricious and merciless rulers, who will behave no better than ordinary thieves, the citizens will flee to the mountains and forests.


SB 12.2.9: Harassed by famine and excessive taxes, people will resort to eating leaves, roots, flesh, wild honey, fruits, flowers and seeds. Struck by drought, they will become completely  ruined.


SB 12.2.10: The citizens will suffer greatly from cold, wind, heat, rain and snow. They will be further tormented by quarrels, hunger, thirst, disease and severe anxiety".


[Extracted from a discussion in another site]


I commend you to read this blog of mine, and come to the conclusion "who is a Brahmin?" 

I hail from Kerala, and I have no doubts in my mind that I am born a Brahmin.  At least that is what the society in Kerala say about me.  They call me a Kerala Brahmin or the Palghat Iyer or the Kerala Pattar (Pattar is a corrupted form of Bhattar).


But after reading the story of the Parayi I have doubts about my origin?  If a Brahmin male by birth from Tamilnadu and a Pulaya Stree from Kerala could give eleven distinct jatis plus one divinity in Kerala, what to talk of the other parts of India or the world?

 


http://rajaputhran.sulekha.com/blog/post/2010/09/parayi-petta-panthirukulam.htm 


Kind regards. 
Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri.

 


Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri

Suresh_Rao:


Further, your ICU model will not convince such people. They will cry foul & say brahmins/priests discriminate”. 




For once you are right.  What has happened is that people both educated and uneducated have tied themselves into knots without realizing the difference between Varna and Caste. And in their ignorance, they lambast the oldest religion that is known to man, thinking that in their faulted reasoning they can pillory this religion which is Anadhi and Apouresheya. I am reminded of a Sanskrit couplet that explains such a situation perfectly.   




Navadhware Sharire Asmin Aayuhu: Sarvathi Santhatham|

Jeevathiyathbhutham Thathra Gachchathee Kim Athputham
”||




When asked which is the most wonderful thing in the world [Some thing like the Seven Wonders of the World] one learned scholar seems to have replied thus:

“It is not surprising that those who come into this world depart after their life term ends.  But what is most surprising, is that in spite of this Sthula Shariram having nine orifices, the energy force that we identify with life, does not escape into the wide space, through one of the holes. 


That is the wonder of wonders!!!” 

The Tamil bard, Avvaiyar explained it further, that the life force does not escape from our physical bodies, like water escaping from a mud pot which has a single hole on its side, in spite of  the human body,  having nine holes? 

What we, the educated fools are doing is to dissect Hinduism in bits and pieces without continuity and mostly out of context.  We take phrases and sentences from all the scriptures and vedantic sources and explain it away, as profound knowledge.  And the above said couplet does explain the situation succinctly.  

Sudra - has been a concept from times immemorial, but thanks to the machinations of those educated idiots from the Western world, it got clubbed with caste, whereas Caste in actuality should mean Jati.  But those melecha bastards have never understood the nuances of our religion, but in their limited approach had propounded certain postulates which are defective from its inception.  And the limited Indian "Scholars" for reasons best known to them, kow towed to the imperfect knowledge. That is born out of the imperfect understanding of continuity and context, is self evident in their utterances. Most never bother to cross refer our tenets of philosophy, and the end result is this kitsch.  

Our forefathers were intelligent, but even their intelligence failed them for once, as they never anticipated that their brief pronouncement in chaste Sanskrit would be interpreted in such a cavalier manner. That Sanskrit is a Deva Basha, need no introduction, but to understand its nuances one human  life time is not sufficient.  It requires a Purusha Ayusu.[I have very little time to expound as to who is a Purusha?]

Our educated apes, in their profound wisdom aped the West and today we have people, who actively propagate the doom of Hinduism because of these fissiparous tendencies.  But that wonder that is Hinduism is, it  will outlive these tendencies. 

Coming back to your comment, which I have reproduced at the beginning of my comment. 

In 1977 I was working as the Manager-Shipping, of a very famous managing agency house, Pierce Leslie India Ltd., at Wellingdon Islands, Cochin, Kerala.  The then  Union Minister for Shipping and Surface Transport was the dalit (a scheduled caste), Chand Ram.   He was so intelligent and knowledgeable, he wanted to see the bottom of the oil tanker (below the ship's hull), which was discharging crude through pipe lines connected to the outlet pipes on the deck.  Standing on the wharf, he was bending himself, almost double.  

Out of admiration for the minister's thirst for knowledge I asked him why he was bending himself contorting his corpulent body and putting strain on his deformed back bone?  His reply is still a minor classic in the Cochin Shipping Industry.

“Sala Khambak, Ye Pipe Line, Itna Neechese, Kaise Uper Aakee, Yeh Thel Ku Tankee Me Barr Rahaha Hai?” or words to that effect.  Then I knew why Jawahar Lal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of India had included this ignoramus dalit in his Council of Ministers.  

And he confirmed that he was a born idiot when he visited Guruvayur to take the blessings of the Lord.  As is the norm and practice, the Mel Shanti, the arch Brahmin Nambhoodripad, made small balls of the Sandal paste and threw it outside from the Sanctum Sanctorum, towards the devotees of the Lord who in their eagerness to get the Prasad of the deity caught it and touched it to their eyes, in reverence.  

The pompous Minister let go of all his opportunities to get the blessings from the Lord, and returned to Delhi and complained to the Prime Minister of India, that since he was a dalit, he was insulted by the Chief Priest of the Temple at  Guruvayur, in that he did not come out of the Sanctum Santorum and  present him with  Poorna Kumbham and hand over the Deity's prasad on a silver plate and collect some baksheesh from him, the Minister.  

[Probably he had visited Lord Balaji at Tirupati, where the Telugu Brahmin Priests have been bought over with  power, pelf and money and they caricature the Lord as if he is a perpetual beggar, (a Piravi Pitchaikaran)  and honour even those ordinary mortals who donate Rs. 100/  with Poorna Khumbam, and  wafting of the chamaram blessings]


But Panditji, was intelligent and clever.  Using this opportunity, and trying to mollify his wounded colleague, he transferred him from his Ministry, to be an ordinary member of the Parliament MP.


Compare and contrast this with the behaviour of Rajaji when he was the Governor-General of India.  Once, when he visited the then Madras, he visited the Triplicane Partha Sarathi Temple.  As he got down from his car, his four ADC’s also prepared to accompany him into the temple.  As he was removing his chappals from his feet, he told his ADCs: “One is not allowed into the sanctum sanctorum with outer garments and foot wear. I am meeting the Maker as I, the ordinary individual.  You are the appurtenances of my Office.  And you can play your role outside the precincts of the temple but not inside.” So saying, he walked bare chest, bare foot, into the temple, had his darshan and came out satisfied with the end result.   


Some are born into greatness, greatness is thrust on some others, but the majority of humans who are born into this world are clods, unfit to be called humans. 


That is why I said earlier, you read the Seven Volumes of The Voice of God, in English, a collection of the discourses of Jagatguru Sri Kanchi Kamakodi Peedatheeswara Sri Chandrasekarendra Saraswathi Swamigal, published by the Kanchi Kamakoti Trust that would put you back by about $100 - $125.  But it is still worth the money.  I don’t ask you to accept him as your guru, but he can be an excellent guide to Hinduism, and its philosophies. 


Lastly, I need space to operate, what the Germans call lebensraum and I need it a-plenty. Hence it is better that I operate from my space.  At least no body will then  ask me to quit? Especially, when my credo is what you see below:



"Patti" in Malayalam is a derogative word some thing akin to the English word  Cur - a mutt or a mongrel.  
 


And I mean it. 

Regards.


Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri.


 


Suresh Rao / / 4 yrs ago
Suresh Rao

VP

Believe me if there is any bias in my quest it is only in favor of seeking more information on the "Hierarchical Superiority Mindset" that I mentioned briefly in my blog. To explain what I meant by "Heierarchical Superiority Mindset" I just added the original model I have seen in TV presentation(s) on 'biological evolution of humans'. In present day (kaliyuga) this model can be outlined as as below.
(I give it here since you have no access to my blog.)

Higherarchical Superiorty Mindset

L-4 spiritual = Seek Brahman, satisfy Inner-mind.
L-3 emotional= Seek family, friends, fulfil Relationships
L-2 mental = Read books, watch TV, Get Visual Satisfaction
L-1 physical needs = food, shelter, creature comforts to Satisfy Body Needs

For those of us for whom L-1, L-2, L-3 have been met... going to a temple is to seek 'Brahman' (if same cannot be achieved by reading scriptures at L-2 or by seeking relationships at L-3) is therefore at L-4 level of mindset hierarchy.

Sensory organs which can perform function of smell, taste, touch etc in humans (& animals) can easily attain L-1 hierarchy and get creature comforts.

To reach L-2 level (which in my model is higher than L-1) you need good eye sight; blindmen can't get it.

To reach L-3 level you need good human relationships, animals can bearly get it.

To reach L-4 level most humans go to temples; perform religious worship/service at a temple.

In this model, those (some in lower caste orders) who have not yet satisfied all that they can get from 'smell, touch, sight', 'hearing' (from sensory organs) think by touching the feet of of their deity of adoration (in a sanctum sanctorum for eg) can reach L-4 level.

This is difficult to explain to some politicians (in Karnataka for example) who think forcing priests in temples to open santum sanctorum open to every one (like perhaps they do at Srisailam Siva temple) all can reach L-4 of human growth and evolution.

That is the reason I wrote my blog to get some thoughts going on how to convince them that L-4 can also be achieved just by viewing 'god' or 'god image' from a distance (if not by reading books, scriptures written mostly in languages they can't or most have not learnt;) since logistics do not permit entry into sanctum sanctorum for all in this kaliyuga; not because scriptures do not allow entry to all to a 'god' temple.

Further, your ICU model will not convince such people. They will cry foul & say brahmins/priests discriminate.


rajee kushwaha / / 4 yrs ago
rajee kushwaha

Dear VP sir,
I greatly admire your scholarly blog---I always thought that Indian birth-based caste system was something of an aberration in the Indian social system. one knows GEETA does not advocate this hereditary system but it is a later practise----when exactly did it creep in--one can not say---but accusing fingers are raised at MANU SAMRITI which classify people based on division of work.
I personally feel that the practice became heriditatry due to specialisation nature of the JOB----whether it was KNOWLEDGE---COMBAT or TRADE----in ancient days there were hardly any written knowledge---it passed on from FATHER to CHILD in an oral tadition-----there were no school or colleges other than some RISHI ASRAMS----where oral education was imparted-----thus CASTE SYSTEM became order of the day based on BIRTH because---on the job training in the family was best for a specialised job.
History is full of examples---when NAI (barbers) became kings and Chandals became BRAHMINS (Valmiki---who wrote Ramayana). Even Ravan was born to a Shudra mother but---he was not ony king but also a learned brahmin.
I also feel---the word SHUDRA is unnecessary being misused----it had no derogatory connotation----it was made of TWO ROOTS of sanskrit words---SU + DRI. SU means good---as in SWAGAT and DRI meant LACKING as in DRIDRA--thus--Shudra was someone who lacked all other SKILLS-----who could not speak good language-----pardon my saying---but it was a fact that those who could NOT speak and write english till a few years back were considered backward------so was the case in ancient times with people who lacked knowledge of Sanskrit----they came to be known as SHUDRA-----it became heridiatory because of SPECIALISED DIVISION of work by PRACTICE and NOT DESIGN.
Thanks for education.
regards.
Rajee.


Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri

Sureshmiyer:

Thank you.  For the sake of argument I will accept that your query is born out of ignorance. Before I continue further, I would request you to read my comment to Scribblingpad. 


In your comment you say:


“kshatriya is a warrior

vaishya is a businessman

shudra does all other activities

what activity is a brahmin supposed to do?”


The short answer is to study the Vedas / Scriptures and teach the moral values to others by setting his life as an example.  For which the state, meaning the King pays him some emoluments that keeps his body and soul together. 


But Lord Krishna did not say all those things that you have expostulated in your comment.  What did Lord Krishna say in Verse 13, Chapter IV of the Bhagavad Geeta?


catur-varnyam maya srstam

guna-karma-vibhagasah

tasya kartaram api mam

viddhy akartaram avyayam


The fourfold-caste has been created by Me according to the differentiation of GUNA an d KARMA; though I am the author thereof know Me as non-doer and immutable. {This is the first and last time the Bhagavad Geeta  talks about Varna, in its entire course of Advice to Arjuna by Lord Krishna}

“This is a stanza that has been much misused in recent times by the upholders of the social crime styled as the caste system in India. Varna, meaning different shades of texture, or colour, is employed here in the Yogic-sense. In the Yoga Shastra, they attribute some definite colours to the triple gunas, which mean, as we have said earlier, “the mental temperaments.” Thus, Sattwa is considered as white, Rajas as red, and Tamas as black. Man is essentially the thoughts that he entertains. From individual to individual, even when the thoughts are superficially the same, there are clear distinctions recognizable from their temperaments. 

On the basis of these temperamental distinctions, the entire mankind has been, for the purpose of spiritual study, classified into four “castes” of Varnas. Just as, in a metropolis, on the basis of trade or professions, we divide the people as doctors, advocates, professors, traders, politicians, tongawalas, etc., so too, on the basis of the different textures of thoughts entertained by the intelligent creatures, the four “castes” had been labelled in the past. From the standpoint of the State, a doctor and a tongawala are as much important as an advocate and a mechanic. So too, for the perfectly healthy life of a society, all “castes” should not be competitive but co-operative units, each being complementary to the others, never competing among themselves. 

However, later on, in the power politics of the early middle-ages in India, this communal feeling cropped up in its present ugliness, and in the general ignorance among the ordinary people at that time, the cheap pandits could parade their assumed knowledge by quoting, IN BITS, stanzas like this one. 

The decadent Hindu-Brahmin found it very convenient to quote the first quarter of the stanza, and repeat “I CREATED THE FOUR varnas,” and give this tragic social vivisection a divine look having a godly sanction. They, who did this, were in fact, the greatest blasphemers that Hinduism ever had to reckon with. For Vyasa, in the very same line of the couplet, as though in the very same breath, describes the basis on which this classification was made, when he says, “BY THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THE MENTAL QUALITY AND PHYSICAL ACTION (OF THE PEOPLE)” 

This complete definition of the Varna not only removes our present misunderstanding but also provides us with some data to understand its true significance. Not by birth is man a Brahmana (Brahmin); by cultivating good intentions and noble thoughts alone can we ever aspire to Brahmana-hood; nor can we pose as Brahmana merely because of our external physical marks, or bodily actions in the outer world. The definition insists that he alone is a Brahmana, whose thoughts are as much Sattwic, as his actions are. A Kshatriya is one who is Rajasic in his thoughts and actions. A Shudra is not only one whose thoughts are Tamasic, but also he who lives a life of low endeavours, for satisfying his base animal passions and flesh-appetites. The scientific attitude, in which this definition has been declared, is clear from the exhaustive implications of the statement: "ACCORDING TO THE DIFFERENTIATION OF “gun" AND “karma.” 

We had tried to explain how the Self, functioning through its own self-forgetfulness (Maya) as it were, came to project forth temperamentally in three distinct conditions of mental and intellectual life: Unactivity, Activity and Inactivity. Through these triple channels flow the expressions of Life manifesting the different ideas, agitations and actions of the embodied-Life. None of the vagaries of existence would have been possible if the equipments were not tickled by the touch-of-Life. 

Krishna, as the very Source of Life, emphatically asserts here, that He is the author of it all, in the sense that the ocean could say that it is the author of all the waves, ripples, foam, bubbles, etc., and gold can assert that it is the very creator and sustainer of all gold-ornaments in the world, inasmuch as no gold-ornament can exist when the gold element is removed from it. 

But, at the same time the Infinite, being All-Pervading, as we have already explained, cannot participate in any action and therefore, the Lord, in one and the same breath, declares that though "HE IS THE AUTHOR OF IT," in His own Real Nature," HE IS AT THE SAME TIME A NON-DOER." 

Such contradictions in Vedanta become confusing to the students, as long as they are not initiated into the SECRETS OF ITS STUDY. In our conversation, we generally hear people say "that they reached their destination ten miles away by sitting in a bus;" "I caught a train and reached here." Since we understand it in our usual routine conversation, we do not try to dissect such statements to discover the contradictions they contain. Sitting you cannot travel. By catching a train, none can cover distances. And yet it is so true. When we travel in a bus or a train, we do not move; we only sit and hang on to our seats! But still we cover the distance because the vehicle, in which we sit, moves on. In other words, the motion of the vehicle is attributed to us. Similarly, the creation of the temperaments, which should be attributed to the mind and intellect, is attributed to the Lord. In fact, the Lord, in His Essential Nature, being Changeless and All-Pervading, is neither the Doer nor the Creator.


SINCE I AM NOT IN REALITY THE AUTHOR OF THOSE ACTIONS OF WHICH YOU THINK ME TO BE AN AUTHOR: 

Excerpts from Swami Chinmayananda’s Commentary on the Holy Geeta.  Available as an e book. 

Kind regards. 

Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri.


 


Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri

geekunnel:

Thank you.  I am happy you found the explanations interesting and informative.

Kind regards. 

Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri.
 
 


Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri

Scribblingpad:

Thank you.  Jaya and Vijaya are the two - demigod gate-keepers (dwarapalakas) of the abode of Vishnu, at Vaikuntha.

Once, the four revered sages, Sanaka, Sanandana, Sanatana and Sanatakumara (Manasa Putras of Brahma, the Creator), came to visit Vishnu in Vaikuntha. Although they were very old, they looked like children. And because of their external appearance Jaya and Vijaya barred the revered sages from entering Vishnu's abode on counts that the lord had other preoccupations. The insolence shown by the gatekeepers towards the sages enraged them so much, they cursed Jaya and Vijaya to be born as mortals and roam the earth. The gatekeepers reported back to Vishnu of the incident.   Vishnu was disappointed at the lack of judgment shown by Jaya and Vijaya, in that he has ample time for all his devotees and would have taken time to meet with them regardless of other preoccupations.

Vishnu received the sages himself and the sages were speechless. They requested the Lord to decide the punishment himself. The Lord Vishnu told them that he could not take back the curse, but could give them options on how the curse would be lived out. He gave them the option either to be born several many times as great devotees of the Lord Vishnu, or a three times as powerful individuals that were the sworn enemies of the Lord Vishnu, and to die at the hands of Lord Vishnu.

The dwarapalakas chose to be born a three times as enemies of Lord Vishnu, and took the form of the demons,  Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu, in Krita Yuga in their first life, Ravana and Kumbhakarna in Treta Yuga, in their second life and  Dantavakra  and Sishupala in Dwapara Yuga  in their third life.


If this is the origin of the birth of Ravana how can one call him a Rakshasa?  

http://rajaputhran.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/07/dashagrievan-or-ravana-with-the-ten-heads.htm


Forgetting the dasavatharas of Lord Mahavishnu, which according to mythologies he took for Dushta Nigraha and Sishta Paripalana, the primary reason Mahavishnu took the avataras was to redeem his pledge towards his Dwarapalakas and that they should join him back in Vaikuntha as early as possible.  Interesting? 

I would commend you to read Swami Chinmayananda’s   commentary on the Holy Geeta, available as an e book   download from this site. 

http://www.chinmayauk.org/Resources/Downloads.htm


Or you can read this fine book written by him 

http://rajaputhran.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/01/holy-gita-ready-reference-a-book-review.htm


Regards. 

Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri.


 


 


 


 








sureshmiyer / / 4 yrs ago
sureshmiyer

hi sir

thanks

Lord Krishna says: "I created the four varnas (brahmana, kshatirya, vaishya and shudra). These divisions are based on the actions of a person and their character[Guna and Karma

i want to ask only one question
kshatriya is a warrior
vaishya is a businessman
shudra does all other activities
what activity is a brahmin supposed to do?

i am asking this out of total ignorance

warm regards
suresh


geekunnel / / 4 yrs ago
geekunnel

Hi VP

thnx for explaining all these.informative!!!!!!!!

regards

geekunnel


Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri

Suresh_Rao:

Thank you.  You have just touched upon a subject, the ramifications of which are very many.  The context within which you have raised some questions, appear to me, to be biased and before I even make an attempt to reply or discuss, I need to read the source which you have been kind enough to provide.  Brahminism as a concept, is laudable, but how it is practiced today leaves one in distress. 

Personally, I think I am following the percepts of Brahminism, when I accept people of all varnas, as equal to me if not better.  Perhaps, had I been a  Kshatrya, Vaisya or Sudra and aspired for the higher caste  and those in the higher caste repudiated me from accepting into their fold, may be I  can be considered as an outcaste among the Brahmins.  When discussing percepts one should not bring in personal matters like feeling inferior when compared to others while before the Almighty in HIS sanctum sanctorum.  In which case, all those who visit the Lord at Guruvayoor is an outcaste except the Nambhoodiri Brahmin, whose duty it is to administer to the physical and temporal needs of the Lord.  

It is like this.  In a hospital, no body is allowed inside the IICU because the Hospital Authorities feel that the sanctity of the hospital would be endangered by the presence of non sanitized persons from outside.  If you are objecting to the rule that non Brahmins could develop a mindset of inferiority just because they are born lower in the social hierarchy, then it is not the fault of the birth but the mind set of those who are so ill educated. [Here education is not what one receives in the Universities or schools] 

This is not my final answer. It has to evolve.  And I need time. For the present, one has to be satisfied with this comment.  

The Kanchi Maha Periyaval, has certain definite views on Brahmins and Brahminism which are spread through out the body of his definitive work the seven volumes of  Deivathin Kural in Tamil  or the Word of God, in English.  In the 20th  century there is no better guide than him who can be called as an authority on Hinduism or the Hindu Philosophy, as it affects one in person.  

Kind regards. 

Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri.


Suresh Rao / / 4 yrs ago
Suresh Rao

VP
I saw your blog this afternoon. Thanks for informed comments on what sri Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita re: 4 castes (based on varnashrama-dharma) and what "born brahmins like you & me are conditioned to think" in this Kaliyuga where we are really not leading life like 'brahmins' by profession performing daily rituals & such expected of 'brahmins.'

In most similar cases of 'born brahmins' of this age (kaliyuga) I have come across in my life I do not also see the "swabhava guna" traits expected of 'brahmin' caste {mentioned by krishna in bhagavad-gita.}

Kamat's potpourri ( http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/people/brahmins/brahmin.htm ) from where I have extensively borrowed my discussion of 'caste, varna, jati' interprets it as follows:

QUOTE

"The belief that people born in brahmin caste, automatically become brahmins, is a much later concept in the very ancient land of India. In the pre-Gita period (before the beginning of the Christian era) a Brahmin was a person who had attained highest spiritual knowledge (brahmavidya). This was an extremely difficult path of discipline of body, mind , and intellect, and people irrespective of their birth or class, who dedicated to such an austere life were recognized as brahmins. A great example of this tradition (that a person becoming a brahmin, rather than born as one) is the case of Vishwamitra, a warrior (kshatriya), who became a brahmin after attaining brahmavidya, and composed the Gayatri mantra, the most sacred hymn of the Hindus.

A smritis, or code of conduct composed by sage Atri defines brahminhood very clearly.

"By birth, every man is a Shudra (an ignorant person). Through various types of disciplines (samskaras), he becomes a dwija (twice born). Through the studies of scriptures, he becomes a vipra (or a scholar). Through realization of supreme spirit (brahmajnana), he becomes a brahmin. [what is also stated in bhagavatam you quoted]

The Bhagavad-Gita divides1 the class of people into four categories of Brahmana, Kshtriya, Vaishya, and Shudra depending on the traits (svabhava) inherent in individuals.

1. Chapter XVIII of Bhagavad-Gita, verses 41 - 45 [more]

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VP,

My blog is to discuss, understand "inferior-midset" that develops in some individuals (brahmins included) when they cannot 'feel' or 'touch' the feet of their 'deity' of adoration in a sanctum sanctorum environment (for obvious logistics reasons when large group or gathering must witness a puja ritual performed by the head priest.)

In that context I have raised some questions in the first few paras of my blog (@link you give in this blog.) If you care to comment on them I would be much obliged. You can copy those passages to your blog here for purposes of discussion if you like to comment. I do not bother about hit counts/views etc., that you may get here (& not me in my blog.)

[ps: LET US NOT GO INTO reasons why or for what specific reason I blocked you from my blogs some time back. I had personal reasons to do that. That is nothing to do with my present blog & subject matter discussed.]


Monsoon Romance Short Story Contest


Contest Entries (47)

Sugata Kundu
Warmest romance in the coolest moonsoon
 Believe it or not but there is no other season which can give you a more perfect feel of romance. I too have had a plenty of romances under the raining sky.One day me and my fiance was going to
5 hrs ago
Aparna Bhattacharya
The essence of love ''Petrichor''
  The monsoon has a deep connection with her soul and she was enraptured by rain. This monsoon has brought lots of happiness and peace in her life. She just completed her schooling and now she is
5 hrs ago
Eresh
Rainy night
 Standing in the balcony looking at our pictures thinking how happy we were together and look at us now, we keep quarreling, use words which makes us shed tears of blood.We got so fed up that we
5 hrs ago
navneetkumarbakshi
Serenading In The Rain- Humor
 The raining of stories on Monsoon Romance has receded now. I see some splitting of the clouds, emerging sun. It’s time for a different take, some fun Let’s put some humor here.Scene
5 hrs ago
piyushnayak
monsoon night
 My heart bit goes up beyond the threshold level, as I am present here alone tonight. No one else is here to listen my voice to reduce the calmness. Bus is also playing with me. The last bus at 10
7 hrs ago
Avani Shah
This Monsoon...
 This Monsoon…Go and play football with your friends,Splash the mud water, enjoy the raindrops,STAY HEALTHY. STAY FIT.Go and play the drums, the dhols and tashas,Lord Ganesha is on his way
7 hrs ago
Debanjan
THE MONSOONS... an unpretentious companion in my WHOLE LIFE :)
 I just love the rains! I was born in the month of July in 1970 in the sleepy town of Karkala at the bottom of the Western Ghats near Mangalore. My grandfather used to chide me saying, "You are an
7 hrs ago
rajee kushwaha
MONSOON REUNION !
 A MONSOON REUNION !Around Chandigarh, in the month of July, the sun sets at about 1900 hours. The monsoons are generally in full swing. And they evoke feelings of romance and love. Getting
20 hrs ago
Suresh Rao
Romance in the Rains
 I have not romanced in the rains, not yet!I have always found rain falling on my person unpleasant and a nuisance; I run for cover.But, I must admit I have enjoyed watch movies and clips of
22 hrs ago
Ketaki
The Rain in Their Memories
 The Rain in His Memory--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sitting in the cubicle was like
23 hrs ago