This is a E MAIL Forward of an analytical article by Dr. Farrukh Saleem, Pakistani Executive Director of the Center for Research and Security Studies, a think tank established in 2007, and an Islamabad-based freelance columnist. How far he is right is for you to decide but I found his arguments very interesting. I would like some of my Muslim friends to comment on this.
Here are his concluding remarks:-"So, why are Muslims so powerless?
Answer: Lack of education.
All we do is shout to Allah the whole day !!! And blame everyone else for our multiple failures!!!!!"
Ambedkar craved for limelight during his days. he was ready to compromise any ideology and this was very clear with his stands in the round table conference. The book by Arun shourie "Worshipping False Gods" gives lot such references. he might have been an intellectual great but he always used it for wrong purposes. He had a single agenda, taking a leaf out of EVR Periyar's book (unfortunatley EVR was not good at English as Ambedkar used to be)- anti Brahminism and he rode on it for his survival in politics! He created a Neo-Buddism a fake Buddhism and yet practiced discrimination there again.
The question of polygamy itself is a minor one; there is a more fundamental question involved in this debate. Please read on.
You say " I feel every religion was found by a man so more or less every religion is pro men some more some less..will you agree to that ??"
Hold on. Who told you this? Why are you assuming that all religions are man-made? THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION - I cannot emphasis it more. No, I am not taking of gender angle (man vs woman, we'll discuss it later) but Man vs. God.
Islam is NOT man-made; its a religion by Allah. Allah's revelation of Quran is not a mythological event (like Hanuman flying over ocean) but a historical certainty.
Human mind has inherent limitations and hence, human laws are not perfect. Allah is perfect and he has given perfect laws for humanity which doesn't change with time and place. That's why, Allah's law must prevail over fickle instable human laws.
I feel so sad to see that people don't understand even the very basic of Islam.
I agree by all your arguments but we should always remember that those were the times when dalits had faced unimaginable persecution and v strong measures had to be taken for their upliftment .what has now become of a v good measure is a totally different story.
Also i am amazed when you say that Ambedkar did this to create a divide amongst people and bake his daily bread in politics ...If you read pre independence history you will find that this man of such a high intellectual ability was totally sidelined by top Congress leaders including MK Gandhi who forced him to surrender on some v logical points by his 'satyagraha'
PH , I feel every religion was found by a man so more or less every religion is pro men some more some less..will you agree to that ??
These religions were found in a particular social , geographical condition so those rules can not be implemented today ..
I am not favouring any religion but i feel people are more to be blamed for not changing and not applying logic and reason to all traditions and rituals.
Alamsha i assume that your answers are not made in a sarcastic tone :-))) and will try to answer your questions...
The four wives rule was enacted in Islam because those were the times of wars and physical violence ..women are physically weak and hence war widows were supposed to be provided with financial and physical security .
In this age of machines a female with a gun can kill a batallion of men and she is now financially independent so that argument does not hold good today.
There are some tribes in India which allow women to keep more than one husband at the same time ..
I asked you this because you said in your comment that a man can keep more than one wife if he treats them all equally .I will not argue whether this is possible or not but i strongly believe that any religion or law of the land that has different rights for male and female is unfair ..period..
so if a man can keep multiple wives for whatever reasons in today's time a woman should also have the same right.
I grew up in a Roman Catholic family in the USA and I attended RC schools from kindergarten though the sixth grade. My parents and relations taught us that RCs could go to Heaven after death but that all others would go to Hell. The hubris, arrogance, hypocrisy, and mythology of the RC Church and Christianity in general were so obvious to me that I began to question Christianity and I abandoned it by the age of ten.
Some of the rituals of the RC Church resemble Hindu rituals (the Mass = Aarti, the rosary = japa, the sacrificial wafer and wine = prasadum, the Easter ash on the forehead = tilak, the congregational singing = bhajan; the holy water, lustration with a seashell conch, the baptism, the veneration of statues, the offering of candles, the incensing, the liturgical chants, and the all-night vigils. Adhering to the rituals of the RC Church inculcates in the members of the RC an inflated and false sense of piety which serves to excuse hypocrisy and bad behavior in their daily lives -- just like the Christian Protestants who imagine that they are "Saved" simply by naming Jesus Christ as their Personal Savior. In my childhood I rejected the ritualism of the RC Church, and I was not looking for another ritualistic or mythology-based religion to follow. Religious rituals and mythologies fascinate me, and studying them analytically is one of my favorite pursuits, but I have no interest in practicing rituals or believing in a literal interpretation of myths.
In my teens I got attracted to the Hindu, Buddhist, and Jaina philosophies. I was more interested in the Hindu and Buddhist philosophies than in the Hindu and Buddhist religions, but when you study the philosophies, you inevitably learn about the religions. At the age of 19 my world-view was very similar to that of the Jains; for seven months I ate fruit only and for another five months I ate only fruit and milk.
I began to study comparative mythology in depth during my late twenties. I learned that the mythologies of the various religions have common roots and that they are all based on astronomy. Now I view the mythologies of all the religions as astronomical tales with no historical basis. I see a continuity of narrative in the Greek Orion walking on the celestial Ocean, Jesus walking on water, Krishna dancing on the head of the Kaliya Naag on the Yamuna RIver, and the Egyptian sun-child Horus, who defeated the cosmic serpent Apophis.
Kaliya Daman, c. 1880. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliya
Horus as a child standing on the crocodile god Sobek. Sobek was the god who devoured the souls of the dead who had been condemned by the Judge of the Dead, Osiris. Metternich Stela (ca. 380-342 B.C.) - 30th Dynasty of Egypt http://objectiveart01.tripod.com/metternich_stela.htm
Quran is direct from Allah and cannot be question. See this newsitem:
Delivering a lecture, ‘Minorities of India: Issues and Challenges,’ at the Justice Basheer Ahmed Sayeed College for Women last Saturday, Khursheed said that the Sachar Committee Report was not the Quran which cannot be questioned. “The recommendations of Sachar Committee Report are not divine like (the) Quran; they can be wrong also and that’s why one must approach them critically,” he reportedly said.
You are bang on target, couldn't agree more. Yes, be it Rama, Krishna or Jesus, they all either fictitious or existed as great human beings elevated to the status of Gods by faithfuls.
But have you see the word 'mythology' used in context of Islam or Christianity, the way its used for Hinduism (and rightly so)?
No. The Abrahmic religions are literalist religions where each incident has to be believed literally. Otherwise, they'll lose their very purpose of existence.
For instance, there is NO WAY you can metaphorically treat Quran other than revelation from Allah. Quran is pure unadulterated word-by-word commandment from Allah to Humanity. Even doubting it is apostasy/blasphemy punishable by death.
You take this assumption away and Islam will crumble like a house of cards.
thanks ashualec for sharing the response of your educated muslim friends. Is it possible for you to get their answers to these simple questions:
1. Do you think that there could be few verses in KOran that are either outdated or erroneous?
2. Do you find it shameful the way muslim nations treat non-muslims?
3. Do you oppose shariah (i.e. triple talaq, polygamy, chopping of hands of thieves, stoning criminals to death etc)
4. Do you think that people have a right to criticize Koran or Muhammad?
The purpose of every faith is peace and justice for humanity.
Was it true for pre-Islamic pagan religions as well? Then, why Muhammad ruthlessly replaced them with his invention Islam?
Geeta is not same as Quran. Geeta can be considered as words of wisdom (much like today's self-help or philosophical book) and its knowledge does not rest on its claim of divine revelation. So, some parts of Geeta can be repudiated if its not in consonance with today's thinking.
However, Quran's sole USP is its claim of divine revelation. If you take it away, it'll be reduced to incoherent mumblings of a dangerous and selfish mind i.e. Muhammad. Not even a single verse of Quran can be considered irrelevant or erroneous as they are directly from Allah.
Don't milead people here just because they are not knowledgeable enough about islam.
As for your question about kaaba being a hindu temple, it was a pagan temple housing 360 idols that were desecrated and demolished by Muhammad himself. Its documented history that muslims proudly boast of as it was a very noble act. Its only ignorant stupid kafirs who stubbornly refuse to see writing on the wall.